Juan Manuel Urtubey: "We are seeing that when the confrontation moves a little, things change for the better"

The former governor of the province of Salta, Juan Manuel Urtubey, He spoke on Modo Fontevecchia by Radio Perfil (FM 101.9) about the opposition alliances ahead of the 2023 elections.

Give us your opinion of what happened in Deputies is the beginning of a new era with that majority of about two thirds that Horacio Rodríguez Larreta speaks of.

Our idea was to begin to capture something that we had been talking about for some time, which has to do with beginning to show some agreements that make politics sustainable in Argentina. The problem we have had is that if politics used confrontation to come to power, confrontation is the fastest and most efficient path, but for the exercise of power it generates a climate that makes it very complex to grow, develop, have investment and others. The proposal is to form agreements that do not reach 100% but a majority that proposes rules of the game within the institutional framework, in terms of what macroeconomic policies mean, what Argentina needs in terms of structure of operation to combat poverty, the social protection system. It is ambitious but it is not all-encompassing, there are four or five issues on the basis of which we have to settle the agreements, which have nothing to do with the electoral issue, they have to do with basic agreements so that Argentina works.

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Regardless of whether they have electoral connotations, could they have government intentions a posteriori?

We are working on that, based on evidence, in politics many times they do not work based on evidence. The only two times that Argentina grew more than 4 years in a row was with government scenarios of this type. After Alfonsín’s hyper, the early assumption of Carlos Menem with the agreement with Alfonsín and the UCR, gave Argentina four or five years of growth. After the fall of De la Rúa, Alfonsín again, this time with Duhalde, proposes this operating logic that gives Argentina another five more years of growth.

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What you imagine is that what is going to be proposed is an agreement around Together with the Peronism of Córdoba, the socialism of Santa Fe and the Peronism that is not a member of the Frente de Todos of the province of Buenos Aires?

I have a view regarding the electoral process for next year that is different from what has been happening in recent years. There may be an election more like 2013. There are probably no fewer than four gaps between 15 and 30 points, I don’t think anyone is higher than that. I don’t see the scenario as defined around where the agreement should be given. From Peronism we are working to propose an electoral option to the Argentines who, after the failure of this government, are not forced to return to the previous government that also failed. If we manage to form this space, we will be in the discussion about how the future will come.

There will be four or five ways because the system as it is proposed implodes, I don’t know if JxC is going to stay together next year but it is clear that a large part of the FdT will not end up together next year. The failure of the administration is going to drive many Peronists to look for an alternative more linked to Peronism than to Kirchnerism and that can give us more electoral competitiveness. Whoever wins, there may be an agreement framework.

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Who are this “we” you speak of?

We are talking about the leaders of Peronism who maintain that this government does not have an agenda that contains us and we are going to work to offer an electoral alternative next year.

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Would this imply that Peronism would fragment and you would have a traditional one and a Kirchnerist one?

I believe in a slightly broader view than that of Peronism but with a strong logic of national thought planted in the agenda that we need from now on. I believe that Kirchnerism has moved far away from what should be a progress agenda in Argentina. Upward social mobility, which is the axis of our space, has nothing to do with what we are seeing in the management of the current government.

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